Andragogue Or Pedagogue? (part 2)


Andragogy is a pedagogy adapted to adults. (1) 

It primarily deals with education. This article is the follow-up of our previous article on the subject, published two weeks ago. (2)

In this second part, we will cover the last three items of the andragogy system developed by Knowles. (3)

Japan is a hierarchical cultural society, and andragogy is not the best system for their culture. Westerners can benefit from andragogy because we have Descartes’ logical approach to life. We need to understand to accept. The Japanese don’t; they must comply. Japan has been an obedient society since the Kamakura Jidai by Minamoto Yoritomo. (4) (5)

Hatsumi sensei said that “Japanese don’t understand Budō.” It might be because of that. Obeying mindlessly to a system without understanding leads to a loss of creativity. And Budō is all about creativity.

In the first part, we covered the first three items of andragogy: Need to know, Strong foundation and Self-concept. Knowles says adults are interested in “Readiness” or, to put it straight, “How can this benefit me?” Knowles defines Readiness as “adults are most interested in learning subjects directly relevant to their work and personal lives”. As Budō teachers, we do the same. I always ask three questions to any new student coming to the dōjō: “Age or family, past budō experience(s), job.” With a few pieces of information on his age and family situation (spouse, siblings, kids), It gives you some understanding on his mental development. Past Budō experience explains their reactions on the mats, how they walk (i.e. their relation to space) and their vision of the world. Knowing their professional world gives you a glimpse of their mental process and access to their daily dictionary. We use a specific dialect in the workplace when interacting with our peers. But each time we join a new group, we must learn another vocabulary. I discovered that using IT analogies with an IT guy, physiology with a nurse, or car parts with a mechanic shortens the time to acquire new knowledge. (6)

The fifth item is what Knowles calls “Orientation”. I prefer “reason”. What it means is that adult learning is problem-centred rather than content-oriented. Put differently, teachers should do their homework to know why things are done in a specific order or manner. That is why basics are an essential part of our training. I remember teaching once at a prestigious school of Engineering. I explained the power of Boshi ken compared to Fudō ken when my Uke turned to his peers and said, “Yes, power = force/surface.” This happened in the 90s. Since then, I have used it every time I have engineers in front of me. Adults need solutions to their problems. They feel they are losing time when you only teach theoretically.  

Last is “Motivation.” This one item is partially linked to the previous one. Adults respond better to internal versus external motivators. They must be motivated and feel the gain that regular training brings. If when they begin, they often dream of becoming a modern ninja (sic.), they want their studying time to benefit them (physically or mentally). I travelled a lot to Japan, and each time, I came back more affluent than before. Now, motivation can be destroyed by personal difficulties (job, studies, family); in that case, don’t overthink and apply the “never give up” attitude. These highs and lows are logical. Keep always the big picture in mind.

In Japan, pedagogy is Kyōjuhō, which is composed of “teach+instruct+rule.” (7) It is not limited to the education of youngsters, but the word “Androgogy” doesn’t exist, no surprise here (cf. what I wrote at the beginning). The word Jōnindenshō made up of Jōnin (adult) and denshō (transmission), seems to be the best to explain how we need to transmit Budō to adults. (8)(9)

As a teacher, if you use these six steps when teaching adult classes, I can guarantee an acceleration in learning. 

Teach the NeSSROM to your adults:

  • Need to know, 
  • Strong foundation,
  • Self-concept,
  • Readiness
  • Orientation,
  • Motivation

And you will help them reach their potential.  They are adults. They have already constructed their life. They are not going to war any time soon. Be authentic and teach them what they need to become better humans. They need Budō to continue their evolution.

If you educate the Jōnin (adults) with andragogy, they turn into Chōnin; they go from adults to “supermen” or “Übermensch”, as Nietzsche defined it. (10)(11)

Andragogy is the best tool to achieve that.

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1 Andragogy refers to methods and principles used in adult education. The word comes from the Greek ἀνδρ- (andr-), meaning “man”, and ἀγωγός (agogos), meaning “leader of”. Therefore, andragogy means “leading men”, whereas “pedagogy” literally means “leading children.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andragogy#:~:text=Andragogy%20refers%20to%20methods%20and,%2C%20meaning%20%22leader%20of%22.
2. https://kumablog.org/2023/10/01/do-you-believe-in-andragogy-or-pedagogy-part-1/
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Knowles
4. Minamoto put the Samurai class above all others. He reorganised the empire, and disobeying was punished by death. That was in 1185. Eight centuries later, today’s structured society makes it nearly impossible to apply andragogy.
5. More on Kamakura Jidai (鎌倉時代, Kamakura jidai, 1185–1333): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamakura_period
Sidenote: “jidai” 時代 means period, epoch, era, age. Please do not mistake it for the Starwars Jidai.
6. Takamatsu sensei said we must be curious about everything when studying Budō. That could be one of the reasons.
7. 教授法 kyōjuhō: Pedagogy = teach +instruct + rule(s)
8. 成人, jōnin or seijin: adult 
9. 伝承handing down (information); legend; tradition; folklore; transmission
10. 超人, chōnin: superman or Übermensch as defined by Nietzche in Zarathustra. 
11. Übermensch: For Nietzsche, the Übermensch is a being who can completely affirm life: someone who says ‘yes’ to everything that comes their way; a being who can be their determiner of value; sculpt their characteristics and circumstances into a beautiful, empowered, ecstatic whole; and fulfil their ultimate potential to become who they truly are.

Do You Believe In Andragogy Or Pedagogy? (part 1)



A few months ago, Sebastian from Brazil came to train in Paris for a week. We had fun on the mats and outside and discussed a lot. Pedagogy in the dōjō was one topic. At one point, Sebastian coined “Andragogy” or “pedagogy for adults.” I didn’t know the term. After reading about it, I would like to share my thoughts here. (1)

When you create a new dōjō from scratch as a young teacher, beginner students are in their twenties. Two decades later, the same ones are now grown-ups in their forties. They are adults with families and responsibilities. Therefore, you must adapt your way of teaching if you wish adults to keep coming to the training.

To achieve this, you need two things to happen. First, you must see this as necessary; second, you must switch from pedagogy (aimed at kids) to Andragogy (designed for adults). If you don’t, your dōjō will die, or you will become a “Budō guru” claiming to have all the answers, even when you don’t have them.

Andragogy, defined in the 19th century, is a way to turn the science of pedagogy aimed at kids into a set of principles used for the education of adults. In the 80s, Malcolm Knowles listed six items defining how adults react to learning. This system is called Andragogy. (1)

If you have young students and adults, you must teach differently. Use pedagogy for the first ones and develop your skills in Andragogy for the latter group. These items are helpful and should be used in the dōjō when you teach an adult audience. (2)

I’m adapting hereafter the list given by Knowles in his books and giving it a “touch of Budō” for application on the mats:

Need to know: Older students do not receive education like young students. Adult students need to know the reason for learning a waza. As a teacher, you must give them the technique’s origin and sometimes the motivation to learn it. In any ryū, there is a logical order of the waza within each level. Waza #1 leads to Waza #2, which leads to Waza #3. That is why you should never teach the ryūha like a melting pot of techniques but in a logical order. That, too, answers the expected “need to know.”    

Foundation: The basics of Taihen (physical try) lead to Kuden (experience). This experimentation process results from long hours of training and failure through “trial and error.” It is how an adult brain gets a strong foundation. Younger minds want magic, and adults demand logic. In the ’90s’ and the ninja boom, it was common to hear teachers explaining that in “ninjutsu, we have to forget the form and rely on the feeling.” To that stupid argument, I say that 1) to forget anything, you must learn it first. That is why we need a solid technical and historical foundation. Only a solid foundation will give the adult the necessary answers to improve his knowledge.

Self-concept: You must be careful with adult students. They “need to be responsible for their education decisions.” They want to see where they are going and when they will reach foreseeable milestones. They must also have a system of evaluation to follow their progress. For this reason, in Paris, we have developed a syllabus where each student validates their progress. When they think they are ready, they ask the instructor to take the test. That changes dramatically the state of mind during the examination process. We designed the KEEP in 2005. Since then, no one failed the test. (3) 

In part 2 of this post, we will cover the remaining three out of six defined by Knowles. But I hope you already understand why teaching adults differs from teaching kids. The same content will have to make sense to them. They have a life, and we established earlier they demand logic, not magic or mystical stuff. Teachers have a responsibility toward their students. What they teach is a way of life, not a sport. If you want to teach adults properly, then it is time to try Andragogy.

(part 2 is coming soon. It will cover the last three items of Knowles: Readiness, Orientation, and Motivation )    

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1 Andragogy refers to methods and principles used in adult education. The word comes from the Greek ἀνδρ- (andr-), meaning “man”, and ἀγωγός (agogos), meaning “leader of”. Therefore, Andragogy means “leading men”, whereas “pedagogy” literally means “leading children.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andragogy#:~:text=Andragogy%20refers%20to%20methods%20and,%2C%20meaning%20%22leader%20of%22.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Knowles

3 K.E.E.P.: The Kyū Examination Evaluation Program regroups all the techniques from the Tenchijin plus the basics of the primary weapons we use in the Bujinkan. The whole syllabus is not made of 9 Kyū but of 9 modules. There are three levels of basics (commonly referred to as 9th to 7th Kyū), three Taijutsu modules, and four Buki waza modules. 

I don’t believe in classes per rank. In Japan, everyone is training with everyone, and this is the same in my dōjō. In a class today, it is common to have beginners doing techniques with a Shidōshi or Dai Shihan. If you want to keep adults training together despite their different levels, you must do that. Whatever module we study, a beginner and an advanced student can learn something new. Psychologically, a high rank is not training the 8th kyū program but more profound ways to develop his taijutsu. You can download the Tenchijin chart and the K.E.E.P. manual at http://www.koimartartart.com in the “Bujinkan library” section.